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Старый 08.02.2017, 02:10   #11
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Oleg, again this is not my words.Master Chen was Master of Nei Dan and one of biggest expert not academic worker.

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Oleg, again this is not my words.Master Chen was Master of Nei Dan and one of biggest expert not academic worker.

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What makes you think so?
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This is known fact.Just google his name and you are to find many good informations.

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This is known fact.Just google his name and you are to find many good informations.

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Learning Alchemy via google is just not a good idea. The list of your "good informations" contains tao bums and various other "credible" resources.

By the way I also belong to a branch of Long Men Pai and I can state with absolute certainty that the immortality of physical body is completely achievable and is considered an intermediate stage. Why you would want to stop there is beyond me. But to each their own I guess, just don't speak for the entire branch when you clearly have no idea yourself.

In regards to ascension while in physical body, you can conduct the following experiment:

- Get a piece of meat
- Throw it towards the sky
- See if it stays there

Good luck with everything!

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Strange Konstantin.I say to google to find info about Master Chen not to learn Nei Dan on the net.This info is not from Dao Bums but book of leading sinologist today and I am realy suprised that you as Longmen branch dont know who is Chen Yingning.Again I didnt speak anything but it is Master Chen.

You experiment is funny,because it dont have key ingredient and it is Jindan.

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Strange Konstantin.I say to google to find info about Master Chen not to learn Nei Dan on the net.This info is not from Dao Bums but book of leading sinologist today and I am realy suprised that you as Longmen branch dont know who is Chen Yingning.Again I didnt speak anything but it is Master Chen.

You experiment is funny,because it dont have key ingredient and it is Jindan.

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It's ok, it has flesh and that is enough to prove my point.
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Oh and by the way, the piece you quoted comes from a western scholar book. Here it is:

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It talks about practitioners ignoring the physical and focusing on elusive mind. Now if you know anything about Nei Dan then you know that we are not concerned with cultivating the mind, in fact the mind is discarded at the earliest convenience.

Nor do we "smash" the Void or "pulverise" the Emptiness. Seriously, who comes up with this garbage?

This means that whoever you are quoting also has no idea about Nei Dan. And certainly has no idea about Yuan Shen and Yang Shen.

Case closed.

I'd advise you to avoid books with titles such as "Twentieth Century: Between Eternity and Modernity" if you are looking for a genuine tradition. Although it does not sound like you are looking for it indeed.
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That's what I am talking about. "Sinologist" means "academic researcher". What makes you think a sinologist knows who is a neidan master and who is not?
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Yes that is to book I used.But they just translated original works of Master Chen,it is not sinologist claim but of Master Chen.I am sorry because you dont know who he was and that he was Nei Dan Master,but if you read the book you are to have all evidence how he is positioned in Nei Dan filed and to stop blindly to attack showing your ingnorace about modern history of Daoism.

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Yes that is to book I used.But they just translated original works of Master Chen,it is not sinologist claim but of Master Chen.I am sorry because you dont know who he was and that he was Nei Dan Master,but if you read the book you are to have all evidence how he is positioned in Nei Dan filed and to stop blindly to attack showing your ingnorace about modern history of Daoism.
It's naive to say that we don't know who he was. It's twice naive to say that he was a "Master of Neidan", and his opinion on Yangshen nature was anyhow practical.

Yingning is famous, but not by his practical results. Thus he is not a reliable source on the alchemy.
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