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Старый 25.10.2015, 19:32   #1
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По умолчанию Yangshen nature

is yangshen form or formless?

if you create immortal body, do you create worlds "To play inside rofever" or you join pre-created permanent world-utopia?

What is view of this school on this?
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is yangshen form or formless?

if you create immortal body, do you create worlds "To play inside rofever" or you join pre-created permanent world-utopia?

What is view of this school on this?
The view is simple: achieve yangshen first, then such questions will be answered.

There is no value in believing one thing or another. People inside have a "sensation of truth", it's enough to progress, while mind fantasies just stop any development.
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in buddhist teachings you have explanations of dhyanas, samadhis, states and realms. I know there is a risk to stuck on the intellectual level but sages uses it as a map.
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From Master Chen Yingning:

“Smashing the empty Void or pulverizing the vacuous Emptiness”
are all phrases from Daoist books of later periods. None of these are
found in any of the classics of the ancient immortals. This is because
most of the ancient immortals began cultivation in outer alchemy.
Their practice is entirely engaged with the material and the substantive
(wuzhi de 物質的). It does not concern the empty Void at all. Nor did it
work on the flesh body yet. But fearful of the complexities and hardships
of outer alchemy, self-cultivators of later times preferred the
simplicity and ease of inner practice. They switched to begin their
practice with Essence, qi, and Spirit (jing qi shen 精氣神) of the body.
There subsequently evolved the theory of Refining the Essence into Qi
(lianjing huaqi 煉精化氣), Refining Qi into the Spirit (lianqi huashen
煉氣化神), and Refining the Spirit to return to the Void (lianshen
huanxu 煉神還虛). As they later felt the theory insufficient, they
added an additional level of Refining the Void to unite with the Way
(lianxu hedao 煉虛合道). As a result, the Way of Alchemy had since
then become linked with the empty Void.

For Chen, the most catastrophic consequence of this shift is the valorization
of the mind over the body, and to such a degree that the physicality
or materiality of the body was rejected in the process. Most symbolic
of this rejection is the modern practitioner’s contentment with the sole
deliverance of his Yang Spirit (yang shen 陽神) through self-cultivation,
and his all too ready dismissal of the legendary feat of “ascent by flight in
broad daylight” (bairi feisheng 白日飛升). For such a feat epitomizes the
true union of the spiritual and the physical realms, whereby the ancient
immortal allegedly soars up into the empyrean with not only his perfected
Yang Spirit but also his perfected flesh body (routi 肉體), achieving
the rare wonder of the perfection of both body and spirit (xingshen ju
miao 形神俱妙).

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There is no rejection of the material body in Internal Alchemy, just further refinement of it into a Body Of Light. This is a perfect body, not a bodiless spirit. Please understand the difference.

Body is only a shell and a source of energy for the spirit. Nothing else. Yang Shen by definition is not bodiless, it is completely united with the energy (which is what body used to be, this is now a more perfect and an invincible form of it).

Making claims that Internal Alchemy practitioners reject the physical body because they are afraid of dangers of cultivation simply shows that you do not understand what Yang Shen actually is.

However, if you think that we are wrong and you need to follow the path of having a physical body then by all means pursue it. But also be aware of the real dangers of having a physical body (which makes you susceptible to all physical evils, in some way just like any regular person). One can hardly call themselves "perfected" in such a state.

Also be aware of the effect your ideas have on the world around you. If others follow your example and the others follow their example etc, then how many people will not achieve The Complete Perfection 全真?

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You fail to see that this is not my ideas.It is Master Chen Yingning who was president of Daoist Association of China,Master of Longmen Pai and Patriarch and lineage holder of Yin Xian Pai.He was considered the biggest autority in China and Taiwan regarding Nei Dan.
So maybe he dont know what he talk about.

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From Master Chen Yingning:

“Smashing the empty Void or pulverizing the vacuous Emptiness”
are all phrases from Daoist books of later periods. None of these are
found in any of the classics of the ancient immortals. This is because
most of the ancient immortals began cultivation in outer alchemy.
Their practice is entirely engaged with the material and the substantive
(wuzhi de 物質的). It does not concern the empty Void at all. Nor did it
work on the flesh body yet. But fearful of the complexities and hardships
of outer alchemy, self-cultivators of later times preferred the
simplicity and ease of inner practice. They switched to begin their
practice with Essence, qi, and Spirit (jing qi shen 精氣神) of the body.
There subsequently evolved the theory of Refining the Essence into Qi
(lianjing huaqi 煉精化氣), Refining Qi into the Spirit (lianqi huashen
煉氣化神), and Refining the Spirit to return to the Void (lianshen
huanxu 煉神還虛). As they later felt the theory insufficient, they
added an additional level of Refining the Void to unite with the Way
(lianxu hedao 煉虛合道). As a result, the Way of Alchemy had since
then become linked with the empty Void.

For Chen, the most catastrophic consequence of this shift is the valorization
of the mind over the body, and to such a degree that the physicality
or materiality of the body was rejected in the process. Most symbolic
of this rejection is the modern practitioner’s contentment with the sole
deliverance of his Yang Spirit (yang shen 陽神) through self-cultivation,
and his all too ready dismissal of the legendary feat of “ascent by flight in
broad daylight” (bairi feisheng 白日飛升). For such a feat epitomizes the
true union of the spiritual and the physical realms, whereby the ancient
immortal allegedly soars up into the empyrean with not only his perfected
Yang Spirit but also his perfected flesh body (routi 肉體), achieving
the rare wonder of the perfection of both body and spirit (xingshen ju
miao 形神俱妙).

Daoserb
Daoserb, you won't get anything useful for you by unsystematically reading and quoting tons of articles from modern academic researchers. That just won't help you understand what real neidan is.
For a practitioner, it is obvious that what you quoted here is a solely academic point of view, with no relation to real neidan practice. Different neidan terms appear in different time, but that's just terms, words. Neidan theory evolved in time due to humanity's spiritual degradation, ancient neidan just didn't need these words, but all the appropriate stages existed there as well.
Thanks,
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Here [Ссылки могут видеть только зарегистрированные пользователи. ] they say that Chen Yingning is a "masters of the Wu Liu School".So what about this?
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I mean what about his relations to WuLiuPai school,is it letigimate?
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Here [Ссылки могут видеть только зарегистрированные пользователи. ] they say that Chen Yingning is a "masters of the Wu Liu School".So what about this?
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he lists the masters of the Wu Liu School...
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